Shifted/Inverted Bebop tuning for non-slide AND SLIDE harps

Anything apart from the two mainstream default harmonicas (Solo-tuned fully-valved chromatic, and un-valved Richter 10-hole diatonic). Alternate tunings, different construction, new functionality, interesting old designs, wishful-thinking... whatever!
User avatar
IaNerd
Posts: 454
Joined: Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:42 pm
Location: Iowa, USA

Re: Shifted/Inverted Bebop tuning for non-slide AND SLIDE harps

Post by IaNerd » Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:51 pm

Compare the tuning at the beginning of this Topic with this one:

https://www.brendan-power.com/forum/vie ... 2642#p2642

Note that the only difference is in the blow note that shares a hole with the draw note tonic. One solution gives more scales, while the other gives more useful chords.

This calls to mind those recently developed magnet-based mechanisms for altering the pitch of specific reeds.
Last edited by IaNerd on Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:29 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
IaNerd
Posts: 454
Joined: Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:42 pm
Location: Iowa, USA

Re: Shifted/Inverted Bebop tuning for non-slide AND SLIDE harps

Post by IaNerd » Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:12 pm

Note: On a 12-hole slide chromatic harp, the final tonic C is there with the push of a button. Also, the 2 blow slide-in could raise the C to a D in order to complete the lowest Cmaj octave.

CORRECTION: This tuning also has multiple ii chords.

ADDENDUM: I now see that, with the slide in, it is possible to additionally have V and vi chords in the lowest octave.

download/file.php?mode=view&id=601
Attachments
2019-09-05 (10).png
2019-09-05 (10).png (26.91 KiB) Viewed 2579 times
Last edited by IaNerd on Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:33 am, edited 5 times in total.

User avatar
IaNerd
Posts: 454
Joined: Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:42 pm
Location: Iowa, USA

Re: Shifted/Inverted Bebop tuning for non-slide AND SLIDE harps

Post by IaNerd » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:40 pm

The tuning just above here was designed with diatonic scales in mind. However, with the I (Cmaj) and IV (Fmaj) chords, a first position minor hexatonic blues scale of C - Eb - F - Gb - G - Bb - C looks quite feasible.

User avatar
IaNerd
Posts: 454
Joined: Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:42 pm
Location: Iowa, USA

Re: Shifted/Inverted Bebop tuning for non-slide AND SLIDE harps

Post by IaNerd » Mon Oct 21, 2019 6:19 pm

In the tuning of Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:12 am (above), the first major diatonic octave begins a little bit differently than do the higher octaves.

Here is a different approach to getting a IV chord at the front of Inverted Bebop tuning in an economical way. The advantage here is that all the major diatonic octaves share an identical breath pattern; there are no special cases. A peculiarity of this tuning, though, is that the first three chambers have an inverted breath pattern, which makes simple draw bends in those chambers impossible.

download/file.php?mode=view&id=605
Attachments
2019-10-21 (5).png
2019-10-21 (5).png (27.88 KiB) Viewed 2300 times
Last edited by IaNerd on Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:34 am, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
IaNerd
Posts: 454
Joined: Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:42 pm
Location: Iowa, USA

Re: Shifted/Inverted Bebop tuning for non-slide AND SLIDE harps

Post by IaNerd » Mon Oct 21, 2019 6:48 pm

Here is a variation on the theme just above. This one has a consistently normal breath pattern throughout.

This tuning would be good for 7-hole, 12-hole, 13-hole, 14-hole and 16-hole harps. Not so good for 6-hole and 10-hole harps.

Note that the first three chambers contain I and IV chords--just where one would be accustomed to having them in standard Richter tuning. They are however inversions of those otherwise familiar chords.

download/file.php?mode=view&id=606
Attachments
2019-10-21 (7).png
2019-10-21 (7).png (27.75 KiB) Viewed 2296 times

User avatar
Brendan
Posts: 520
Joined: Fri Mar 24, 2017 2:28 pm
Contact:

Re: Shifted/Inverted Bebop tuning for non-slide AND SLIDE harps

Post by Brendan » Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:49 pm

I received Patrick's kind gift of a Kongsheng Lyra to test out his Inverted Bebop Tuning. It's now retuned to D/G, which only required a few semitone shifts in each octave from Solo C. I'll explore a bit and report back soon :)

User avatar
Brendan
Posts: 520
Joined: Fri Mar 24, 2017 2:28 pm
Contact:

Re: Shifted/Inverted Bebop tuning for non-slide AND SLIDE harps

Post by Brendan » Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:34 pm

I did a short video test of a slider chromatic version of Patrick's Inverted Bebop Tuning. Using the Kongsheng Lyra he kindly donated for the test, I tuned it from Solo C to Inverted Bebop D/G, which is not a big change in terms of notes. Here's the scale:

Code: Select all

SLIDE OUT	CD	EF#	GA	BC#	CD	EF#	GA	BC#	CD	EF#	GA	BC#
HOLE		1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	11	12
SLIDE IN	C#D#	FG	G#A#	CD	C#D#	FG	G#A#	CD	C#D#	FG	G#A#	C D

Here's the video test:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ZvbT6 ... f00d6ptXvV

User avatar
IaNerd
Posts: 454
Joined: Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:42 pm
Location: Iowa, USA

Re: Shifted/Inverted Bebop tuning for non-slide AND SLIDE harps

Post by IaNerd » Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:01 pm

Bravo! Thank you very much!

This is the re-tuning scheme that Brendan used just above. The slide-in layer contains the same notes but one semitone higher.

In a 12-hole slide chromatic Solo harp, a total of 18 (out of 48) reeds must be re-tuned.

If one started with a Bb major Solo harp, the result would be the popular and versatile C major key.

download/file.php?mode=view&id=634
Attachments
2019-12-19 (1).png
2019-12-19 (1).png (30.01 KiB) Viewed 1557 times
Last edited by IaNerd on Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:02 pm, edited 5 times in total.

User avatar
IaNerd
Posts: 454
Joined: Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:42 pm
Location: Iowa, USA

Re: Shifted/Inverted Bebop tuning for non-slide AND SLIDE harps

Post by IaNerd » Tue Dec 17, 2019 2:11 pm

Note that in the tuning below, the tonics of the slide-out layer have been moved from the 1, 5 and 9 draws to the 3, 7 and 11 draws.

ADDENDUM, Jan. 13, 2020: Please note that, by using the slider, a complete Ionian scale can be played from 1 blow to 3 draw. Also note that, in the slide-in layer, the first three holes are equal to Paddy, a.k.a. EDharmonica. This means that, in this layer, draw bends can be employed to play a complete C major scale or the beginnings of D dorian, E phrygian, F lydian, G mixolydian, G major, or A minor scales.
unnamed.jpg
unnamed.jpg (1.17 MiB) Viewed 1593 times
Last edited by IaNerd on Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:22 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
IaNerd
Posts: 454
Joined: Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:42 pm
Location: Iowa, USA

Re: Shifted/Inverted Bebop tuning for non-slide AND SLIDE harps

Post by IaNerd » Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:21 pm


Post Reply